PIGS (Paranoid or Irresponsible Gun Study)

I really don’t want to keep talking about guns every week. On the other hand I would like to address some e-mail I got and comments I’ve heard on the gun issue. I got an e-mail saying, “I was just one more anti-Constitutional liberal using dead children to push a ban guns political agenda.” I thought I had clearly said that I was not for banning guns. I said I was for banning semi-automatic assault weapons and gun magazines carrying over 10 bullets. I wrote to the e-mailer, “How dare we liberals exploit tragedy in order to prevent more tragedies from happening.” The e-mailer’s answer to mass shootings was that we needed more guns. I think the problem is not that there aren’t enough guns out there; the problem is that there are too many guns out there. If more guns equal more safety, then we would be the safest nation in the world….but when it comes to gun homicides we certainly aren’t. I’m sorry but a lot of gun owners just aren’t responsible enough to own a gun. Ever go to a shooting range and see the callous way some of these gun owners handle their weapons?  I had an NRA member tell me most assault gun owners only use their assault weapons for target practice. If that’s true then he shouldn’t have a problem with leaving his assault weapons locked up at the range. We need less NRA rhetoric about how everybody should own a gun, and more questioning about whether you are responsible enough to be a gun owner?

If you think gun support groups feel any blame in overturning the assault weapons ban or weakening gun laws that make it easier to kill large groups of children you’d be wrong. Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, said that, if there had been armed teachers in the school in Newtown, the tragedy might have been reduced. He added, “Gun control supporters have the blood of little children on their hands.” He asked for gun laws to be loosened further. I would say pro-gun organizations and the NRA have the blood of little children on their hands. The problem is not that there are too many gun owners; the problem is that the NRA has fought to keep reasonable regulations from passing. Some of us worship the Prince of Peace and some worship the Lord of AK47’s. The only god NRA’s Wayne LaPierre worships is his $1,263,101 per year salary. He will stand on top of thousands of dead children’s bodies and try to sell whatever lies his gun manufacturers owned NRA tells him to. The children of Sandy Hook are just “collateral damage” so that gun owners can keep buying 30 round or more magazine clips. Which leads us to the spikes in gun sales that each shooting brings. Those mass murders and the constant lies about democrat politicians going to take away guns are the magic sales techniques to hit sales records for guns and NRA membership sign ups. A law-abiding teacher or anyone else with a concealed carry permit and firearm training doesn’t necessarily mean they will be able to react to a surprise mass shooter as was proven by ABC News in this video.

There are 51,438 licensed gun stores in America, while we only have 36,000 grocery stores. Of course not all guns are sold from gun stores as we have 129,000 federally licensed fire arm dealers in the U.S. I heard on the news where gun stores said they sold more guns and ammo in the two weeks after the children were killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School then they did all year-long. That is because the NRA sent out the message that President Obama and other politicians would be enacting gun controls because of too many mass murder shootings. The NRA knows gun control won’t be happening because they own the politicians that make the laws. The NRA loves to double down on paranoia and fear after each shooting as it raises sales for the gun manufacturers that own the NRA. It’s amazing conservative gun owners ever sleep at night with all the fears they have. The thing their guns can’t protect them from is reality. Reality such as the fact that a gun in the home is responsible for the vast majority of children killed by fire arms. An abused woman is 6 times more likely to be murdered if there is a gun in the home. A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in a suicide, homicide or accident that be used in self-defense. More children and teens died from gunfire in 2008 and 2009 — 5,750 — than the number of U.S. military personnel killed in action in Iraq and Afghanistan. Among 23 high-income countries in the world scholars have studied, the United States is home to 80 percent of all gun deaths, and 87 percent of all gun deaths of children younger than 15.

Target-shooting is a sad excuse for filling society with semi-automatic large clip weapons. I’m for a study I’d label, PIGS (the “Paranoid or Irresponsible Gun Study)” to see if gun owners have problems of self-esteem, low self-image, or other personality issues. I’ve heard gun owners express how guns makes them feel whole, and in control. I’ve met gun owners who have an ego issue. They are the type who own lots of guns and call themselves, a “Gun-enthusiast.” The idea that someone is an “Enthusiastic” about such a deadly tool as a weapon might be a good place to start the “PIGS study. Gun culture and people’s fascination with guns is a big part of the problem.

I keep hearing the right-wing arguing that those who want gun control have no creditability because they use the wrong terminology. They are all over B.S. like that a clip should be called a magazine, etc. I don’t give a shit what the correct gun nut terminology is for a device that holds 10, 30 or even a 100 bullets. Let’s call them what they are “Mass little children killers.” If you are down to defending mere terminology you know you are an extremist who is defending the indefensible. We are past buying the spin and swift boating of everything but the guns.

Buffoons of the week are the talk radio pro-gun callers who use the car vs. gun analogy. These pinheads explain that lots of people get killed in cars and no one is talking about banning them. The purpose of a gun is to kill, while the purpose of a car is to transport people from place to place. While doing that sometimes accidents occur. To make us safer in these accidents the automobile manufacturers have developed many safety and security devises. Some cars were proven to be unsafe and companies were forced to stop making them. To get a gun you just need to go to a gun show with no background check and buy it. To operate a car you need to train for hours with responsible people and pass a driving and written test. Cars have to meet safety standards, be registered, licensed and insured. There are all kinds of highway laws – easily enforceable regarding the operation of cars. The NRA opposes all such things when it comes to guns. The buffoons that talk about how cars are murder weapons need to tell that to the Department of Motor Vehicles when they are getting a driver’s license or renewing plates. That way these buffoons will be identified as being psychopaths and too dangerous to operate a motor vehicle.

Australia suffered its most terrible mass shooting 15 years ago, killing over 40 people including over 30 tourists. Then 12 days later, the Australian government rewrote the country’s gun laws. Australian Prime Minister John Howard, a conservative led the bipartisan reforms on banning weapons. Surveys showed up to 85% of Australians supported gun control. Among those changes, was to outlaw all assault weapons. The government bought back almost all (hard to confirm 100%) assault weapons in the civilian population, paying owners their cost + 10%. Since then, Australia has had no mass shootings. Homicides involving firearms dropped by 59 percent in the decade following Australia’s gun-law reforms, Harvard University researchers reported last year in an analysis of the Australian statistics. Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer says he is not surprised the Australian example is being cited, saying time has shown that the strong national laws were justified. In Australia after a shooting spree there was an outcry and necessary laws prevailed.

In the U.S. after these shooting sprees the outcry is expressed by running to a gun store and buying more guns. Many times the buyers are buying the gun the shooter used in his mass killing. So much for any compassion for the victims. I suppose the thought is that the gun killed dozens of people and never jammed so it must be a well made gun. Will the manufacturers of these assault weapons used in mass murders soon advertise that this is the model that performed flawlessly at Sandy Hook Elementary School? If one of these mass murderers’ uses a gun that jams and he is captured will that model gun suffer a sales slump?

How do we open dialogue in this country with people who favor NRA talking points over data and facts? It’s as if guns take away your heart, soul and brains and don’t allow you to see past your gun barrel. All that considered we still need to dialogue about violence, our countries brutal history, questions about our past and present foreign policy and especially deal with the fear gun owners have. Without the fear the NRA stirs up in its members the NRA has no argument. How many more little children must die before we feel their right to live out weights the right to shoot as many bullets as possible per second?

NRA Blames Violent Films For Mass Shooting, But Their Museum Features “Hollywood Guns.” 

“Bad Driver Blues”

“Why Don’t You Signal?”

“The right to bear arms is a God-given right.” ~ Gun Nuts

I can’t find that quote in the Old or New Testament. My God is a god of love. He asked people to not be selfish and to make sacrifices for the good of others.

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20 responses to “PIGS (Paranoid or Irresponsible Gun Study)

  1. Lex

    While I agree with you about the ridiculousness of the NRA, you do still need to get YOUR facts straight. First a ban on assault rifles does not really mean they are taken off the streets. The manufacturers just make the same guns modified so they are no longer deemed assault rifles and they can then easily be converted back. And while yes I’ll agree that the fear the NRA instills in gun owners leads some to run out and stock up but your depiction of gun owners as all actually agreeing with all of the views of the NRA is wrong. Also I personally don’t like gun but have a love of knives, and am very eager to have a collection, that also is a weapon does that make me paranoid or irresponsible. By the way I’m also pretty sure that your statistics about the murder rates of teens, abused women and suicide mostly apply to handguns. I hardly see somebody sticking a AK down their throat and pulling the trigger.
    So again I understand you being upset about how the NRA is handling this, generalizing your experience with gun owners to them as a whole is just as bad. Oh yeah and the fact that you don’t actually know what you’re talking about when it comes to guns does make a difference because your opinion is based on BS from the opposing side and not actual facts either.
    Speaking of which your assumption that people buy guns at gun shows without a background check is also not accurate. If somebody is a registered gun dealer they have to do a background check no matter where the sale happens. Deals between individual collectors are ones that are not really regulated as far as I know. I’m no expert and I surely do not know much about gun law but when I heard that I couldn’t believe it and a little research and found that out. So next time you want to rant about something i suggest you consult sources that have facts from all sides of the issue not just the ones that support what you already believe.

  2. elecpencil

    Thanks for the comments Lex. The fact that people can buys parts and make them semi-auto or automatic shows the parts need to be banned along with assault weapons. I noted that in Australia they did pretty much get the assault weapons off the streets. I agree hand guns are used for most suicides. I was trying to stress these teenagers got guns from parents or friends that should have been locked away. My post was not just about assault weapons but about irresponsible gun owners.I know plenty of responsible gun owners and NRA members that think the NRA is getting extreme. As members I think they should fight to bring sanity to the NRA.

    The facts are dead bodies are piling because of nuts with military firepower. You can say I don’t know what I’m talking about but I don’t need to know or use gun nut terminology to know we have a serious problem. People can buy guns at gun shows without background checks because of the “Gun Show Loophole.” Under the the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, individuals “not engaged in the business” of dealing firearms, or who only sell “occasional” within their state of residence, are not required to conduct background checks on purchasers or maintain records of sale. The loophole provides convicted felons and other prohibited gun buyers (i.e., domestic abusers, substance abusers, those who have been adjudicated as “mental defectives,” etc.) with the opportunity to evade background checks, as they can easily buy firearms from private sellers with no oversight. From 2004 to 2006, ATF conducted surveillance and undercover investigations at 195 gun shows (approximately 2% of all shows). The results were 121 individual arrests and 5,345 firearms seizures.Those are facts you can believe or ignore as the gun owners who don’t question the NRA will do.I believe children are more important than guns. LaPierre make $1,263,101 per year salary to make sure his members can have access to guns that can mass kill in seconds. He ignores piles of dead children and you think I should find facts to support his views? I make ZERO for my views about wanting a better world for our kids.My wise pappy always said if you want to find the source of evil “follow the money.”

  3. lex

    If you want a better world for our kids your focus should be on changing society that breeds violence of this nature, on how criminals are getting around the laws we already have (which a banning of a certain type of gun will ensure that only criminals will end up with it), and getting people to be informed and educated about subjects before they react. Banning guns is first only a short-term solution as people intent on harming others will find a way to do it no matter what. And I’m sure you will argue that they will not be able to do it as easily without these guns but where there is a will there is a way. Second banning a particular gun violates the rights of a much larger group who have no ill intent. As for a study of “gun-nuts” there have been studies and surveys done where the majority of law-abiding gun owners support regulations to ensure the saftey of others and that guns stay out of the hands of criminals, and the mentally ill. What they don’t support are useless bans that punish them for the acts of the few bad apples. Just because you don’t understand something does not make it wrong. And your knee-jerk reaction to support legislation that we aren’t even sure will help is just as much a reaction of fear as those that run out and buy guns when the NRA accuses the government of being intent on taking away all the guns. So if you want to criticise the NRA go ahead and do that. But pontificating on things that you clearly are not educated and informed about and generalizing or stereotyping particular groups of people because you don’t understand their views is just as irresponsible as the NRA. No you don’t get paid for it but just because you don’t get paid for it doesn’t mean it is irresponsible behavior.

  4. lex

    Sorry. that last part was supposed to be it doesn’t mean it isn’t irresponsible behavior. By the way I’m not criticising your post just for the hell of it. Actually I used to have the same type of mentality until I opened up a little did a little research and actually came to understand those that opposed certain gun regulations. And I think the majority of our problem as a society as a whole stems from the fact that people don’t take the time to look at a situation from the opposing side. That ability to look at things with an open mind is what breeds discussion and compromise, which is what makes us a free country. Without that no matter which side prevails we are all just slaves to a system that has little regard for what is best for us.

  5. lex

    FYI

    http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847
    http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/oldsite/article.asp?ID=69

    this is what I meant when I said to consult sources that don’t reinforce your views. While you may not agree with the conclusions of the authors of these, in my opinion if you are an intelligent critical thinking person it will at least make you think about the subject a little deeper instead of jumping to the conclusion that a ban will improve everything and government official and media that support this view just have the publics best interest at heart. (or it wont and I’m wasting my time talking to you, either way at least I know I tried)

  6. elecpencil

    Perhaps you should contact LaPierre and tell him about how his knee-jerk reaction to supporting more assault weapons and keeping loop holes that let felons and the insane get weapons ends up killing schools full of innocent children. Maybe he’ll forget he gets a million a year for supporting these irresponsible beliefs and look at the situation from the other side. I’m sorry (outside of a combat zone) there is no good reason a person needs a gun that can kill dozens of people in a matter of seconds. After Gabby Giffords was shot people went into gun stores asking for the gun that shot Gabby. These people should not be sold a gun. They should be reported to the police as soon as possible. I will never understand such nuts and I don’t care to understand their views.

  7. elecpencil

    Lex ~ You sent me info from the National Center for Policy Analysis disputing the Australian gun ban. The NCAP is a far right-wing organization funded by Scafie and the Koch brothers. They have a corporate (including gun corporations) agenda and I wouldn’t believe a word they said. I note the right-wingers love JustFacts.com so I am suspicious of them. Thetruthseeker is occultish and conspiracy wacky for me. I see among it’s writers a former Reagan cabinet member so I’ll pass on any info found there.If these are people you trust for facts you really need to get some new sources.

  8. lex

    You know what, I was in a rush and did not verify that the sources were completely legitimate I should have taken the time to do that. The point was though that there is information out there that could imply that a ban would do very little to help the larger problem we have. In addition to the fact that it could lead to very dangerous territory. (you can say stuff is conspiracy wacky for you but when the government is allowed to imprison people without a trial for an indefinite amount of time in a supposedly free country, I say we need to take a better look at these laws they are enacting for our safety) And also that if there is false information to support that there is a possiblity that the information to support your opinion should be questioned as well. (statistics can always be manipulated to support anybodys agenda) Those are not sites that I use to regularly get information, I usually look in many different places and then look at their sources and their sources sources, which is why I could not direct you to any, I tend to forget where I read what. In addition I still consult print publications. I can recommend The Atlantic magazine as what I feel is a somewhat reliable and informative publication. Coincidentally they just had in either the November or December issue a article about the gun control issue. And to be honest I never fully believe anything I read, I question everything because the only thing I can know for sure is what I see plain as day in front of my own eyes.
    Now as for the Austrailia comparison, upon further investigation I could find no evidence to support the conclusion that the ban did anything other than stop a tiny amount of the murder rate. Furthermore there is no evidence to support the claim that it would do anything here, the laws in Australia before the ban were very different than here in the U.S. In addition to the fact that it doesn’t factor in cultural differences.
    As I said if you really want to make a difference for children your concern should lie on the bigger issue. While yes this is a tragedy, is it more important an issue than the children that die everyday individually, due not to irresponsibility but to a lack of enforcement of laws we already have in place. Or a lack of understanding of basic societal issues that people dont want to address. I don’t think so.
    But you know what I hope you get your gun ban passed and then in 20 years I’m sure the children will thank you for giving them a false sense of saftey while they watch their friends, classmates, family, teachers and others in their life get killed one by one. But they can rest assured that they never have to worry about a mass murder again because those never happen without assault weapons in the hands of people.
    By the way telling LaPierre about his actions would be a waste of time. He knows he doesnt care. I was attempting to engage in a discussion with you so maybe you could see that while your aim might be to help it was really just more of the same stuff that has been going on for years that has given us no progress as a nation. (when I say same stuff I mean enacting laws without addressing larger societal issues, and fighting amongst ourselves as people like LaPierre and government officials fuel the flames and then sit back laughing at us.)

  9. lex

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/12/the-case-for-more-guns-and-more-gun-control/309161/

    Again not saying I agree but it has information that needs to be considered when evaluating gun control issues.

  10. lex

    okay I’m done I’ve probably strayed way out from your original point. I’m sorry and apologize if you think I wasted your time but as I keep saying there is a much larger issue that needs to be addressed and jumping on the bandwagon for one particular part of gun control and then forgetting about it a week from now because it is no longer a hot button issue in the news is as big a problem as doing nothing.

  11. elecpencil

    Your Atlantic Magazine article says that the Supreme Court ruled the Second Amendment protects gun ownership. Judge Scalia the courts most conservative member has said that the Second Amendment leaves room for U.S. legislatures to regulate guns, including menacing hand-held weapons. Your NJ article says assault weapons is a broad term. I would include guns that shoot ten rounds or more but we nned to set up set up a federal term. It can be done no big deal then we won’t have to play terminology games with the NRA. The article says many guns legally purchased are sold to criminals. Let’s set up a system where the AFT or some other agency can make surprise visits to your house to view the gun you purchased legally. If you sold a gun then you should be able to show them the paperwork showing who you sold it to. Gun owners like to bring up comparisons to cars so lets have a paper trail like we do with cars. The police can stop your car and check registration so what’s the deal if they stop at your house randomly and check on your gun? .Your third article just proves that quite a few more weapons need to be described as assault weapons. As for Australia In the last 16 years, the risk of dying by gunshot in Australia has fallen by more than 50 percent. And there hasn’t been a single mass shooting since the 16 year old ban.
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/australia-model-successful-gun-control-laws/story?id=18007055

    An interesting piece on liars and how statistics can be complex: http://usbudget.blogspot.com/2012/12/did-assault-weapons-ban-work.html

    Lex thanks for your comments. I would agree there are lots of problems that need to be addressed. I work in the mental health field and I can tell you there are tons of issues that need to be worked on in that field. Our whole society and American culture needs some honesty and a major overhaul of values. I spend my free time in different organizations fighting to bring progress to this nation. He have to access our values include realizing no one needs assault weapons. If we don’t work to ban assault weapons then we will continue to bury more children.

  12. Lex

    Well now it sounds like your thinking. Maybe now you can even see why terminology is actually important. Your welcome.

  13. elecpencil

    Bottom line is our country has to decide what is most important. Is it the lives of our nations children or the semi-automatic toys of adults who won’t grow up.

  14. lex

    Actually if you want to simplify it down to a choice it is freedom vs safety. As i said you see it your way because of your personal feelings, experience and the type of media you rely on. I understand that and hope that at some point maybe you can understand too. It’s good that you’re thinking about the bigger picture but honestly I dont think more laws are the answer. If thats the case, we are not a civilized society instead just a bunch of savages that need more rules to keep us in line. I have a little more faith in people, eventually we will find the right path. (until then though more laws could possibly help but only temporarily and only if they really are comprehensive solutions not quick reactions to a single event)

  15. elecpencil

    People will be just as free without an assault weapon. I do understand that men who “need” assault weapons are a pathetic,fearful and cowardly lot. White men through out history have a history of being savages. We can also add irresponsible and careless to that. We can not find the right path by waiting until the bodies are stacked so high we can’t even see the woods let alone the path.

  16. k

    What’s your take on the evolving definition of “firearm”, etc? Is it odd that the term, “gun” is only used in the title, “gun reform” and in “starter gun” yet we are all using that term to discuss this issue? Could arguing semantics alone be, in part, causing this issue to divide us versus finding a reasonable solution through positive discourse? http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/firearms-verification-nfa-firearm.html -VS- http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/firearms-verification-gca-firearm.html

  17. elecpencil

    Far as I know no one has killed a dozen people with a glue or staple gun. No one needs to get hung up on definitions of what a gun is. If it is a weapon that holds more than 6 or 8 bullets/shells/cartridges it is not needed. The NRA’s Guns and Ammo magazine says this “Simply put, a clip is something that introduces cartridges into a magazine. A magazine can be either fixed, removable, box, tubular, rotary, etc. Stripper clips allow the user to “strip” rounds off into a magazine. There are also types of clips, such as those used in the M1 Garand and some Mannlichers, that are loaded, along with the cartridges they hold, into a magazine. Then they are either ejected or dropped out after all the rounds have been expended. An auto pistol’s magazine is just not a clip, no matter how many times people call it that” I don’t know what all that gobbly gook means and don’t give a damn what it is called. Let’s just say any container that hold more than 8 bullets is against the law. Make it ten if you want but we don’t need to waste time playing word games. There is no use for weapons holding dozens of bullets and no amount of playing a word game like NRA Scrabble will change that.

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